Maybe it is understandable. It could be argued that all changes generate some degree of conflict. The Laporta-Rosell change had appeared very calm. Too calm perhaps. Still, I get the impression that it all comes down to personal differences, pride and prestige. Which is a pity.
What do you think?
Some Barça supporters have been overheard saying that even if he did take the money, there's no problem: Laporta gave Barça so much that he deserves all and any money.
Is their attitude understandable or acceptable?
jack roberts,
ReplyDeletewell about this problem I would like to point out that it seems pretty clear that Laporta didn't steal any money just that Rosell and his people used different accounting criteria which has caused the difference in results. also, even if he had stolen money I think that it would be completely immoral to condone stealing money regardless of the on-field results.
Jordi Ferrer,
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jack´s opinion because our great business teacher Mr Aznar explained as at class. That Laporta and Sandro had different points of views in economic terms.
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I would say that i desagree with the Jack´s point but is not an opinion, its a reality. What IKM trying to say is that Laporta has stoled money, this is the truth. There are 48,7 milions that Barça has loosed since Laporta was presiednt, this results are checked by auditors. Sandro Rosell(actual president) said to the club members that they voted the responsability action for the looses when Laporta was president.
ReplyDeleteSandro Rosell is a honest and responsable president. As the results show, Rosell has been the most voted president in the history of FCBarcelona´s team.
SANTI NG
Enric Bertran,
ReplyDeleteMe as a great Barcelona supporter that I am, I would like to give my observation about what I've been thinking this last day's about Barcelona's political and economic issues. Is true that Laporta has been one of the bests president in Barcelona's history, but as Rosell said he has another face, Rosell and his board said that they spend too much money in non-deportive aspects and unuseless things such as paying Champagne in a night celebration. I think that until this is not shown out in a reliable way I won't give an opinion about what Laporta had did and Rosell is doing.
Finally I would like to add that Rosell didn't had to show this debts that his board inspected and calculated and also treat Laporta, his supporters and what Laporta and his broad did, as Rosell carried out and like him is doing, because this can bring problems to his future and to F.C.Barcelona.
santi,
ReplyDeleteI don't think it is fair of you to blatantly accuse Laporta of stealing money as I believe that the truth is that he spent lots of money on non-essential things that aren't related to on the pitch issues. for example Laporta was known to splash out on expensive dinners and just being slightly extravagant and over the top in general. however, as wrong as that might be it is a far cry from what santi suggests as stealing as much money as that is a whole new ballgame. I think Santi's opinion is not only unfair and probably untrue but I belive it is probably biased as Santi is a great supporter of the new president Sandro Rosell.
jack roberts
In my opinion, im do not agree with what Jack says about Laporta ( we dont know if he has or hasent stolen money yet ).
ReplyDeleteThe court case has just started , so we dont know yet what has or hasent been stolen .
It is true, though, that both Sandro and Laporta have used different types of economic criteria in reviewing the economic accounts of the club, but all indications are that Laporta used a much milder/softer economic criteria and that he did not consider many economic losses . (( forexample costs or losses from situations with other companies that were not yet solved , in which Laporta ignored and did not take in mind or consider when checking the final economic situation of the clib before leaving.))
I believe that until the court case has not finished and all the entire investigations have not been closed , we wont truely know who is rather right or wrong.
Eventhogh this opposes my main idea stated above , what i am very sure about , is that Laporta is guilty in some of this economical issues , and that he has not used correcty the money from the Club .
Firstly, he has changed his house three times over this last year, and his last house (on the Diagonal) costs about 3 million and a half euros. ( How and from where has he gotten so much money for it?)
Secondly, Rosell's board had to fire an old director from Laporta's board , who had a contract clause of around 500,000 euros, and we know that when Laporta was president , the contract clause of this director was much smaller.( Could Laporta raised this directors contract clause so that when Rosell would be president and would have fire this director , Laporta would obtain some of this money?)
Finally, I do not agree about what Jack sais about that using the Club's money with other things unrelated to football is not stealing.
As a follower of Futbol Club Barcelona, I think it is acceptable to use some of the money to party all the titles/cups/victories from the club but what I do not think is acceptable is that for every single match at Camp Nou Laporta wasted 40,000 euros ONLY for the cattering ( food and this stuff ). or certainly , by winning the mundialito clubs in Dubai, its is known that there is money losees invested in a hotel that is inaugurated next year (there are rumors that Laporta and his board were with prostitutes to celebrate the triumph, and somehow hide the missing money spent to the accounts of a Dubai hotel which is inaugurated next year ).
On the other hand , i do not support Rosell either.
Fisrtly , I found it very arrogant that Rosell would vote blank in the ordinary assembly which decided whether Laporta’s board had used correctly the money or not. I think that if you have organized an assembly and carryed Laporta out to court, then what you can not do is vote in blank.
Moreover, Rosell has an open court case in Brazil of a suspected mafia with one of his companies , which he said he would “win” before becoming FCBarcelonas president , and he still hasent .)
What i am trying to say and as my final conclusion , is that when someone has so much economic and a big power of decision , it is impossible to escape from people who will critizise you and from taking decisions which might affect economically the club’s situation bringing in extreme cases you to the court.
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ReplyDeletehector marlet gomez
I think that none of them have more power than the other,as Jack said these two presidents have used different accounting cryteria(as Sr.Aznar said in economia) Laporta didn't count the money he owned to retransmision channels such as MEDIAPRO or others,and Sandro Rosell has counted with this economic loses,which gives a very different result.
ReplyDeleteBesides using different cryterias, I think that Sandro is taking profit of these problem to create a more dirty image of Laporta,that has been one of the best presidents that has woned all,and Sandro as the new president has a very important role which consists in trying to maintain Barça's actual reputation,and does anything that's in his hands to do it.
Pedro Balaña
Laporta is a mad person, his head doesn´t work and I personally know that Laporta has stolen money from FCBarcelona club because he doesn´t know how to administrate money,a thing that Sandro Rosell does very good.
ReplyDeleteSANTI NG
I agree with Santi´s comment.During the years Laporta has been the president of F.C Barcelona he has been envolved in many economic issues. After being investigated, Laporta has shown he does´nt know how to administrate F.C. Barcelona´s accounts. On the other hand there are´nt many ways to demonstrate this, though I personally think he has stolen money from the club. It is true Barcelona had the best years as a football club while Laporta was president but since then Barcelona´s benefits have been decreasing.
ReplyDeleteFrancisco Rioja
From what you are all saying, it does sound like there is a mix of mismanagement (overspending on perks and entertainment), massaging of accountants (hiding or reallocating spending), and an attempt by Rosell to 'level the playing field' and to tarnish Laporta's reputation sufficiently for him to step out from under Laporta's shadow as the president who (through his own skill or not) presided over a triumphant Barcelona who enjoyed remarkable success.
ReplyDeleteHector has a very good point about intentional wastage amounting to stealing. But if Laporta's management had led to the generation of a surplus, is he not within his rights to spend the surplus as he sees fit? (As long as he spends it on 'the club' rather than on himself.)
This conflict is a political/personal conflict between Rosell and Laporta. I think Barcelona's delicate economic situation, is due to the poor management (in the economic sector) we've had in the last decade, not only with Laporta, but with president Gaspart and president Nuñez. So in my opinion Laporta hasn't stolen money from Barcelona and if he has, he's probably used it for small personal things like private celebrations and that's very difficult to be demonstrated.
ReplyDeleteAs I say, we shouldn't believe too much what Rosell says, as his relationship with Laporta is very bad and he'll do anything to simply humilliate him. However, Laporta will never be remembered by the Barcelona supporters, as the president of the history's best Barça but as a man who used the club for his own political and professional interests.
Mario Romeo
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Only boys have commented on this!!! I had to say my point of view as a girl also! I think Laporta Has indeed done some illegal actions, but as jack says, there has been differnt criterias used to evaluate the economical status of the Barça club. It is true that some money has been used for personal issues and that it shouldn't be that way, but the response by Rosell and his group has gone over the line. I think that what should have been done is that Barça members know where their money has gone, but there is no need to take any legal actions.
ReplyDeleteIn conclusion, they have made a giant ball out of a tiny one.
Normally people 'make a mountain out of a molehill', but there aren't either mountains or molehills in Camp Nou, so I guess it has to be a ball.
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